Pali Lehohla, former Statistician-General of South Africa and founder of the Pan-African Institute of Evidence, joins us to discuss what the data reveals about the state of South Africa’s democracy - and why he believes the numbers now point to its collapse.
From apartheid’s deliberate erasure of Black communities to the historic 1996 Census, Pali breaks down the power of data. Today, he sees a different kind of erasure: evidence exists, but policymakers aren't listening to what it says.
Join Kingsley and Pali for a conversation on evidence, national progress and what the numbers really say about South Africa’s future.